February 9th, 2010, 10:10 AM
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I have a degree in Computer Science and I've aced all my Computer Engineering courses except for damn Robotics, I got a fuckin' B in that course :\ Here's a list of 'desktop' OSes running on ARM:
This is probably the last desktop running ARM (circa 1998) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acorn_Phoebe Components  233 MHz StrongARM (multiple StrongARMs support included) CPU Upgradable daughter board Four EIDE devices (6.4 GB unit supplied) IOMD2 and VIDC20+ chipsets 64 MHz front side bus up to 512 MiB of SDRAM 4 MiB of VRAM Monitor (1280 by 1024 pixels with 32,000 colours) Two serial ports Tower case (NLX specification; yellow curved front panel) Trayless CD-ROM drive 5.25" drive bays 4 PCI sockets 3 Acorn expansion sockets 230 W PSU unit.
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February 9th, 2010, 10:12 AM
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Working on a masters degree in electrical engineering on embedded/real time systems, focusing on processor design and computer architecture. Yeah, notice how its running at 233 MHz in 98. Pathetic.
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February 9th, 2010, 10:17 AM
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Then again you are only an electrical engineer, what do you know about Computer Architecture?  I'm in the process of getting a scholarship (high chance do to my scores  ) for a masters degree in Computer Science, if it works out I'll be back in college before the end of the year. If it doesn't, I'll try again next year :\
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February 9th, 2010, 10:22 AM
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Sorry, do I need to talk in code for you to understand? The computer you posted is half the speed as x86 chips from the same time? And with each cycle, it can do less? Do I need further evidence? Or do you need it in java? Sounds to me that what you need is a "computer" that has zero processing power and a long battery life. Its called a phone.
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February 9th, 2010, 10:47 AM
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 x86 is very bad, a lot of die area is wasted on circuitry that would other wise be unnecessary if it were pure RISC, but through Intel's (and to a lesser degree AMD's) presistence they managed to hack an awful design and make it competitive with RISC designs. One place x86 will (prolly) never make inroads and that's embedded/mobile devices, though Intel is pushing Atom hard, and like how they've killed RISC workstations they'll prolly pull it off once more  Quote:
This year Qualcomm is bringing Snapdragon 8X72: dual-core, each core clocked at 1.5 GHz; capable of decoding 1080p <<<<<< hardly zero processing!! We'll see mobile devices with this chip sometime next year. Imagine how much more ARM can do if it wasn't restricted by heat and power? i.e. if they weren't focused on mobile and embedded market.
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February 9th, 2010, 10:37 PM
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Final thought. PSP sucks...DS is awesome. battery life DOES matter /thread over |
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February 9th, 2010, 11:05 PM
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Fixed for clarification.
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February 10th, 2010, 03:58 AM
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Christ, Tevlen FTW. What a badass.
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February 10th, 2010, 05:31 AM
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Sounds to me like A. You're a risc whore. B. You don't understand that mobile =/= desktop C. You don't have the faintest idea why CISC won. It won for a reason. You can blame that reason on intel and microsoft all you want, but in the end, it was better for the masses. Sure, for someone who uses highly effecient OS's (linux and company), you won't need the same amount of processing power as a windows 7 user. But lets look at some of the other factors, shall we? You complain that Intel x86 chips use their dies inefficiently, and that pure RISC chips use it better. A. The silicon on the die is one of the LEAST expensive parts of the processor. B. More processors means more heat, in an age where heat dissipation is already a major issue. RISC processors have their place. Without ARM processors, the world would not be the place it is; the ability for the world to operate as quickly as it is depends upon the mobile devices that are almost entirely powered by ARM. HOWEVER: ARM is not all powerful. As much as you might want your entire world to be powered by ARM, it has its place. There is a reason ARM is used exclusively in mobile devices, because the pure processing power of ARM is almost a decade behind that of the x86. There are just so many problems with the things you've said.....I don't have time to handle them all.
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Momentum and power of default. The Windows-x86 tie-in is the worst thing that ever happened to tech. Thanks to the evil masterminds at Microsoft and Intel we are locked into backwards tech for many years to come! The demise of x86 requires the demise of Windows, or at least for Windows to run on something other than x86. There were a time when Windows ran on Alpha, PowerPC and MIPS. But since Windows NT was only a small portion of the Windows pie, that wasn't enough to put a dent into Intel's dominance. Quote:
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 Windows 8 is rumored to run on ARM. The ARM revolution is upon us! Quote:
In fact x86 is a hacked RISC. It has lots of circuitry to translate CISC instructions into simpler RISC instructions. This extra circuitry is unnecessary if it were pure RISC. I assume you knew this, right? Quote:
B. You mean more cores? ARM cores are more power-efficient than x86 cores, and on the desktop that wont be a major issue. Quote:
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ARM can take on the desktop, but that's not their current focus. Bring me an embedded x86 chip and you'll see how awful it compares to ARM. Quote:
Get over it! I recommend you read this Computer Organization and Design: The Hardware/software Interface by John L. Hennessy and David A. Patterson
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